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Apr. 19th, 2005

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were you aware that semen makes women happy?

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From:ad_radian
Date:April 19th, 2005 08:17 am (UTC)
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I'd like to see if those figures are reproduced when the studies are done by other research groups. If there really is something going on here, it seems like it could just as simply be negative reactivity to absorption of latex as opposed to absorption of hormones. Then, they'd have to do a latex vs polyurethane study to rule out that possibility. They'd also have to do a lot of biological testing to find out if chemicals in semen can initiate signal transduction pathways in a woman's body that could effect mental and emotional states. Given that there isn't a great animal model for assessing happiness or depression, they'd really have to do the studies in people, which would require blood drawing, biopsies, and spinal taps. Given the topic of interest, I doubt studies beyond blood drawing would be approved.

Well, (in my exclusive relationships where other means of contraception were used, e.g. the pill) I have indeed remarked that "it just feels better without a condom," but if this gets confirmed on a more scientifically credible basis, I can really be a total asshole and say, "Hey baby, don't you know it'll make you feel better."
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From:ferrousoxide
Date:April 19th, 2005 08:22 am (UTC)
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yeah, seems like a lot more variables would have to be taken into account for this study to be considered strictly scientific. maybe the women are simply happier because their sex life is slightly better condom-free precicely because it does feel better.

i think it's just amusing what people can get grants to research in the first place.
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From:ickle_tayto
Date:April 19th, 2005 09:02 am (UTC)
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people put too much thought into some things.. like why cornflakes go soggy in milk.. cause they are in milk..
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From:ferrousoxide
Date:April 19th, 2005 09:42 am (UTC)
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{giggle}
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From:ad_radian
Date:April 19th, 2005 12:08 pm (UTC)
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"i think it's just amusing what people can get grants to research in the first place." I really hope it was funded by a condom company and not a government grant. It's difficult enough to get federal funding for important research as it is.

"maybe the women are simply happier because their sex life is slightly better condom-free precicely because it does feel better" -except that, considering a score of 17 indicates moderate depression, the roughly 5-point difference they are claiming is probably a significantly larger change in mood than a slightly better sex life could account for. I don't know anything about the Beck Depression Inventory; so, I couldn't assess its validity for the study, but the results really do seem to be very far-fetched.
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From:killbox
Date:April 19th, 2005 10:11 am (UTC)
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*resisting temptation to insert lewd comment*

I have trouble with them over symplifying the results.. i can think of a number of ways to do a better blind study, but without doing alot to narow down the variables physiological and psychological, im going to stay skeptic..

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From:ferrousoxide
Date:April 19th, 2005 10:14 am (UTC)
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{nod} agreed. i'm extremely skeptical of these study results.
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From:ad_radian
Date:April 19th, 2005 12:17 pm (UTC)
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"a better blind study, but without doing alot to narow down the variables physiological and psychological" I don't know much about psychology; so, I'm curious. How?
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From:killbox
Date:April 19th, 2005 03:58 pm (UTC)
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well, turkey basters, and placebos.. come to to mind, impersional clinical studies. i dont know, but anything as spooky and taboo as sex, you throw in alot of strange variables, everything from preconceptions of sex, to technique to boredom to other random occurrences,

also the various chemicals compounds and essences should be isolated and tested separately..
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From:ad_radian
Date:April 19th, 2005 09:16 pm (UTC)
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Nonetheless, if the studies do the entire standard psychological profiling prior to asking questions about sex and contraceptive use, then biases regarding sexual practices are largely controlled for. The biggest flaw I see in their methods (though very little is revealed about the researchers’ actual methodology in the article) is the profiling test they chose to use. From what I’ve gathered about the Beck Depression Inventory, it only assesses people on a scale of normal to depressed (e.g. the available responses to select from do not include any better than normal answers). This test is apparently a very effective diagnostic tool for determining the severity of a person’s depression, but it doesn’t distinguish between normal to ecstatic. So, it doesn’t make sense to me that they would use this test on a general population of college students.

“turkey basters, and placebos” LOL. If it came down to invasive procedures, if they could get a large enough population of sexually active women to abstain from sex for several months, I guess they could baste in semen or baste in, hrm, I dunno, something of a similar consistency that’s inert. Alternatively they could put all the women on the pill and supply one group with regular condoms and one group with “special leaky condoms” for their male counterparts to use. Somehow, I doubt either of these studies would happen… but maybe… I should probably check the Archives of Sexual Behavior before concluding that something like this wouldn’t be done.

“The various chemicals compounds … should be isolated and tested separately.” This, I agree with (if the studies ever get beyond psychological profiling).
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From:elegantelbow
Date:April 19th, 2005 10:27 am (UTC)
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Yeah, 'cause lesbians all always miserable without the joy of boy goo. [/sarcasm]

Bah. It's a lot more obvious that green chile makes people happy.
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From:ferrousoxide
Date:April 19th, 2005 10:39 am (UTC)
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well, maybe lesbians just need to...er...import the semen in order to bolster their own happiness ;P
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From:ad_radian
Date:April 19th, 2005 11:12 am (UTC)
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They also didn't consider the possibility that (if their speculations are right (though it seems a bit far fetched) that a sexual fluid can influence mood) the semen might not be what makes a woman happy, it might be her own "girl goo" (I honestly don't know the technical term for this, huh) & the condom could have some sort of neutralizing reaction with whatever "feel good" molecule is present.
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From:ferrousoxide
Date:April 19th, 2005 12:23 pm (UTC)
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well, that is i suppose a possibility...but girls don't produce any substantially different sort of "goo" when they're having sex than when they're not...so you'd need a study of whether masturbating girls are happy, and probably a study of how many of these women have orgasms during sex and how often and whether *that* plays any role.
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From:_wirehead_
Date:April 19th, 2005 12:13 pm (UTC)
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i, for one, did know that.
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From:ferrousoxide
Date:April 19th, 2005 12:23 pm (UTC)
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maybe that's why there is so much bukkake in porn films... ;)
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From:elvendude
Date:April 19th, 2005 03:28 pm (UTC)
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So did I!

:)
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From:pvck
Date:April 19th, 2005 02:14 pm (UTC)
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Happy, Crazy, whatever.
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From:ferrousoxide
Date:April 19th, 2005 02:36 pm (UTC)
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no, that's only *your* semen ;P
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From:netan9el
Date:April 19th, 2005 03:07 pm (UTC)

Hmph

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I find it interesting that it doesn't take into account oral sex. Are women happier or more depressed if they swallow?

I think the study is rather dumb really. It doesn't seem like they really researched all the possible reasons.
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From:ad_radian
Date:April 19th, 2005 08:48 pm (UTC)

Re: Hmph

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"It doesn't seem like they really researched all the possible reasons." <-- this is probably impossible. However, they "looked at alternative explanations, such as whether women who seldom use condoms took oral contraceptives, how often they had sex, the strength of relationships, and the possibility a certain type of personality influenced the decision to use condoms.” While this is general language, I think it comes down to just what they mean when they say they took into account "type of personality." I'd be most interested to know if women who have more anxiety (generalized, and specifically related to sex) also are more likely to insist that their male partners wear condoms. I think this would be relevant since it is fairly well-established that anxiety can be a major contributing factor in clinical depression. I certainly think that the suppositions in the article sound far-fetched, and the psychological profiling test they're using is probably not the right one (certainly not by itself) for the study, but I'll probably read the research paper when it's published. Occasionally, strange discoveries are valid.
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